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Tuesday, March 27, 2012

Desmond Tutu on the Bible and Gay Marriage

I love this man, he's so humble and funny and stands for all the right things! South Africa and the world is lucky to have him.

Tutu says he still reads the Bible every day and recommends that people read it as a collection of books, not a single constitutional document: "You have to understand is that the Bible is really a library of books and it has different categories of material," he said. "There are certain parts which you have to say no to. The Bible accepted slavery. St Paul said women should not speak in church at all and there are people who have used that to say women should not be ordained. There are many things that you shouldn't accept."

In the debate about Anglican views of homosexuality, he has opposed Christian discrimination against homosexuals while suggesting homosexual church leaders should currently remain celibate.

Tutu has remarked that it is sad the Church is spending time disagreeing on sexual orientation "when we face so many devastating problems – poverty, HIV/AIDS, war and conflict."

Tutu has increased his criticism of conservative attitudes to homosexuality within his own church, equating homophobia with racism. Stating at a conference in Nairobi that he is "deeply disturbed that in the face of some of the most horrendous problems facing Africa, we concentrate on 'what do I do in bed with whom'". In an interview with BBC Radio 4 on 18 November 2007, Tutu accused the church of being obsessed with homosexuality and declared:
"If God, as they say, is homophobic, I wouldn't worship that God."

Tutu has lent his name to the fight against homophobia in Africa and around the world. He stated at the launching of the book 'Sex, Love and Homophobia' that homophobia is a 'crime against humanity' and 'every bit as unjust' as apartheid. He added that "we struggled against apartheid in South Africa, supported by people the world over, because black people were being blamed and made to suffer for something we could do nothing about; our very skins...It is the same with sexual orientation. It is a given."


  1. Everybody wants to be loved, and sometimes that need is being misinterpreted in the inner self, making one wish to explore it in unnatural ways, when the core issue here is a disconnection from a father figure (for men esp) or a spiritual Father figure (God). We tend to mistake fatherly love for romantic attraction with the same sex. I believe we can be attracted to the same sex without wanting follow urges. Innocent admiration and 'buddy' love is possible and is in fact a Christian trait, but Satan influences people to believe it is otherwise. So this is definitely a spiritual battle that has been fought for all the ages, with humans losing. Obviously!

    Wake up, people!!! Check out your equipment! If you have any equipment that favours this act, please let me know, but no cheating, hey? Uh, uh, no lubricants allowed here! You argue that it is natural, so why the need for KY? Time to get real and realign with God, not some worldview dilution of Him.

    1. Some straight people use lubricants, many gays don't. Your point makes no sense.